Integrity of hot and spicy food awards, part 2

Since the publication of the original post on this topic, reaction has been swift and polarizing. While trying to bring up constructive criticism to a segment of the industry for which issues have been long discussed in private, one of the companies that we reported as an example has seen fit to accuse this blog of making false statements…being that they make all their own products themselves with their own recipes or use a a co-packer to accomplish the same. So, with all journalistic intent, we responded to Pepper Palace with every intent of them providing specific information that would debunk our claim. In fact, this offer was made on more than one occasion, and the conversation went from being on-topic about this most recent post to personal statements about this blog and its place within the hot & spicy food industry. Our conversation has been with Craig Migawa, CEO of Pepper Palace. So that it can be noted what was said, here is much of that conversation which all comes from email conversations not posted in the Comments section of that post:
Pepper Palace: “If you need further information on Pepper Palace, please request it at craigm@pepperpalace.Posting information without being properly informed can jeopardize the integrity of your blog.”
Hot Zone Online: “If there is any dispute with what is written on this blog, we welcome the opportunity to clarify or correct it for the sake of our readers. In fact, we would publish it as a “part 2″ to the most recent posting.
As such, would you be willing to answer a series of questions regarding the manufacturing, creation, and labeling of the Pepper Palace products? This would be done in writing via email to reduce the risk of miscommunication through a phone call. We would then publish the conversation in its entirety as part of the post.”
PP: “Thanks for the offer. However, I would investigate my writings prior to making them public. Your being so terribly misinformed has inspired me to update the “About Us” section at pepperpalace.com. Please advise all your readers to check it out.”
HZO: “In light of your strongly-worded rebuke of the article, one would have thought that you would relish going on the record to give the readers more updated information rather than merely adjusting your website.
There will be a follow up to the article, I’m sure, but along with asking readers to check out an external source for more information, it will have to be noted that you declined the offer to go “on the record” to answer questions to clarify any information, or misinformation, that currently exists.
I know you’re “busy” with your production facilities, including processing all that horseradish, so we’ll not pursue this issue any further. If you change your mind and would like to reconsider providing some information, please do not hesitate to contact us.”
PP: “This blog is the record? Don’t flatter yourself. Include all your advertisers hard production work as well.”
HZO: “Advertisers? You’re kidding, right? The blog is totally non-commercial, and that has always been the case.
The blog is indeed “a” record, and is “the” record in regards to this particular discussion. If the information is wrong, then we gladly offer the opportunity to clarify it for the sake of the readers. Bloggers are not infallible, and what’s published is a mixture of fact and opinion. If the facts are wrong, then all we can do is offer to clarify them with information provided from the source in dispute. We offered that. You refused.
Also, I did go to the website and check the “about us” section. It has not been updated as of this morning, 1/31/2012.”
PP: “Thanks for visiting pepperpalace.com. Please check back for an updated “about us” section soon. Thanks for your time and the opportunity to better inform you. Hired a new Vet today and he is training in our kitchen today so I must leave you now.”
(At this point, the conversation went really south and comments were made that our “attempts to appear legit are boring” and that “our negative approach to this industry will eventually ruin us.” Rather than get into a schoolyard spat of finger-pointing, we summed up with this:)
HZO: “The comments on that post have been turned off. No one else, including you, will be able to publicly comment on it.
This discussion has gone beyond the realm of anything which is even remotely constructive. We are willing to put an entirely separate post online to clarify any misinformation. You have suggested with your comments that what we suggested was true at one time in regard to private labeling, but that is no longer the case. Here is what we would like to know:
1. Are your products currently made in your own facility with your own recipes, made in another facility with your recipes (co-packed,) or are they another company’s products with your label on it?
2. Are any of the products that you submitted, or won awards for, at the most recent Fiery Foods Challenge made by another company yet has the Pepper Palace label on it? That is, are they are not products you produce or are your recipes?
3. You stated this in a comment on the blog: “We sure got our start by having “Other Manufacturers” produce our product! As we began expanding we found it necessary to have our own facility built.” What does that mean? Did other companies co-pack for you or were those products private-labeled with your Pepper Palace labels? Many companies go to a co-packer because they themselves cannot keep up with the production at their own facility. What you are suggesting is that the reverse was the case…that your manufacturer was unable to keep up with your demand, so you built a facility to exceed what THEY could produce. Correct?
Please try to answer these 3 questions in as much detail as you can. Doing so can only benefit your business if you prove that you are right and we are wrong. If you refuse to offer information to refute our statements, you cannot claim that we are being libelous in any way with our assertions. If you choose not to answer these questions, and to refute this issue specifically, then our conversation with you is at an end.”
As of the posting time of this current article, Pepper Palace has declined to answer our questions…or do anything else besides insult us. We are not inclined to believe that they intend to do so in the future, either.
Despite a very carefully constructed comment in the original post by Craig Migawa of Pepper Palace, what seems clear at this point is that they are not terribly interested in answering the pertinent questions that would change our original statement about their products, especially in regards to what was entered in the most recent Fiery Foods Challenge. It also seems obvious that Craig has no idea about the fact that this blog is, and has always been, non-commercial. We don’t make, or take, money from anyone having to do with writing any posts or advertising or reviewing. One would think that the “Ad-free” logo on the right sidebar would help illustrate that, but who are we to decide who is observant enough to look at that?




















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Commented at February 4, 2012- 10:38 pm
I been watching the stuff on facebook, I been to the Pepper Palace many times. Been going for years. I remember when they got Wingmaster sauces in, the sales girl told me they were really the same as Wing Time. Same with Ring of Fire, said they were the biggest buyer of it so they let them put there own label on it. I saw a show on History channel this week and I saw Morehouse Foods atomic horseradish on the show, sounds just like nasal napalm. I know my hotsauces pretty well, and I know some of theirs taste like other sauces from other people. Only they don’t carry sauces from other people that taste like theirs. Kinda funny?
The big guy who used to work there said they changed who did their hottest sauce in the world/universe. He never said they make it now. I have been past their warehouse and it ain’t that big to have a big kitchen in it and have all the space he says he needs too. I really don’t understand all this stink, but someone definitely cut a BIG one!
Commented at February 4, 2012- 11:27 pm
Excellent read Joe, Damn I miss the HSB….lol
Commented at February 5, 2012- 3:50 am
People have been eating ED Smith pie filling since I was a little girl!!! Ha, the award goes to …. Drum roll Alex,
CANADIAN BIG FOOD!!!
No biggie, but a little transparency would be nice. BLECH, anyone read the ingredients list???
To the credit of the real producers out there, my respected colleagues should not have to compete with themselves. That’s just weird.
Commented at February 8, 2012- 12:13 pm
Very interesting read. I will be waiting for PP’s reply; until then I will not buy anything from them.
Commented at February 12, 2012- 12:32 pm
I WILL NOT PURCHASE YOUR BLOG!!!!!!
Commented at February 13, 2012- 11:46 am
I find it fascinating that as of now, there has been only one response from Pepper Palace.
“I will not purchase your blog!!!!!”
Craig, you can’t purchase this blog, it’s FREE. You cannot advertise here it’s an AD-FREE BLOG. It always has been and always will be. It’s called a “labour of love”.
Commented at February 13, 2012- 8:13 pm
You’re not fooling anyone.
Commented at February 15, 2012- 11:18 pm
But apparently you are Pepper Palace and that’s how this all got started.
Commented at February 15, 2012- 11:31 pm
I initialy defended Pepper Palace but the more I read the less I like them
Commented at February 20, 2012- 11:28 pm
I do not wish to comment on anything regarding the company in question. I intended to post this comment in your original forum regarding the industry awards, however it was blocked.
As a proud “self packer” I think that it is ethically wrong to accept entries from private label companies. Having a co-packer is of course necessary for most producers somewhere down the road. I personally can’t yet look someone in the eye at a brewers festival or farmers market and respond to them saying “No , I don’t actually make the sauce…not anymore at least.” . One day that will change as volume increases.Right now though I don’t want to feel like I am representing the person who is making my product, I want to take pride in providing that transparency which is so lacking in the American food industry. While I am on my soapbox I’d like to tell you all to stop using Chinese garlic…by doing so you are contributing to the largest foreign military buildup in history.
Copackers or not, most producers start with an idea and a burner so it is all the same in the end.
I think the acceptance of private label products cheapens the industry and what we are all a out…good old fashioned American ingenuity. – Ol’ Benito
Commented at February 21, 2012- 8:34 am
A few years ago this blog was offered for sale to me and I declined. Apparently this has caused some anger on behalf of the owners. This is my final post as I can not continue to defend myself on this platform. Please post any comments to Pepper Palace on our blog and you can see what people are really saying about Pepper Palace!! People who are not bitter from a lost sale. Regards, Craig.
Commented at February 21, 2012- 1:48 pm
Craig,
I can’t tell you how pleased I am that your last comment will be your last posting on this blog. Your insincerity and neglect of the facts makes you a blogging danger to yourself and others. You have steadfastly avoided providing truthful details about anything we’ve inquired about in regards to your business, including the laughable notion that WE offered YOU this blog for sale. Please don’t force us to post the email trail which proves you wrong on THAT, too. Proving your errors is becoming all too enjoyable, if only because it’s really quite easy to do.
The only anger being expressed right now is by you, and only because your capriciousness and lack of business integrity has been exposed so that all you can do is take shots at this blog and the writers/owners of it. It’s so sad, because all of this could have been avoided had you chosen to be truthful when you first contacted this blog after the first article was written a few weeks ago. As has become the usual, you declined.
Commented at March 19, 2012- 12:21 pm
A quick check of PP’s About Us page shows a chronology of wharehouses and store openings. No mention of building a processing facility. I make all my own sauces, do EVERYTHING from start to finish, so I find it a turn off when a retailer presents their “award winning” sauces as their own sauces, not just a great tasting sauce someone else created and slapped their own label on. PP isn’t the only one to do that.
As the other manufacturer said, he didn’t care who entered what as it made more business for him, I can understand that. I guess it’s about educating the public to read the label, and when it says “manufactured for…” on the label…that’s a big red flag. ASK QUESTIONS! Thanks for the lively discussion.
Commented at May 18, 2012- 2:18 pm
I find this exchange fascinating. I think it’s a shame when people lash out at reviewers or bloggers and even moreso when they are coming from an apparently indefensible position.
I am in the process of starting up a sauce company, launching June 1st, 2012. I do not own a production kitchen and the scale I am going to attempt requires one. Since I don’t have a spare $300,000 to build one, and would rather use my modest start-up capital on producing & marketing sauces, I am using a co-packer.
So with all love and respect to Salsalady Ann (who coincedentally I know & absolutely adore) the “manufactured for” on the label isn’t necessarily a big red flag – it’s the lack of transparency as PP has consistently shown that’s of the greatest concern.
Meaning, I’ll tell anyone who asks, and even everyone who doesn’t that I use a co-packer. I tell people on my FB site this and I’ll tell people on my website when it’s up. I posted pics of the facility on a hot sauce community site (The Hot Pepper.com) – and no one’s called me out for it or said it was bad. I was in the facility supervising & tasting & tweaking the sauces. The are all 100% my creations. But they will be made for me by a fantastic production chef to my specs purely because I don’t have a facility that he does. There’s also something to be said for economies of scale to keep costs down, but that’s another subject for another day.
Very entertaining exchange though – one that reinforces why I’m a fan of The Hot Zone.
…and what a small world – hi Ann!