2010 National Fiery Foods & Barbecue Show recap

(warning: long post with lots to read!)
Reflecting on this past Fiery Foods Show is not the easiest task. It was the first time that I had attended this show since 2001, when the show was in the Albuquerque Convention Center and I roomed with my older brother who lived in ABQ at the time. There was a lot going on at this show, and despite the crush (and I do mean crush) of the crowd during the hours that the general public was there, I managed to spend quite a few hours at the show each of the three days.
In essence, there are three perspectives to cover with this show. I will exclude a perspective from the show management/producers, as I was unable to speak with ANY of them at length because of how busy the show was. The perspectives of note were as an attendee/show patron, as a vendor there to do business, and as a vendor’s relationship with the venue and show management.

Attendee/show patron viewpoint
The FFS is nothing new to ABQ residents, but it was surprising how far a geographic reach this show had this year. People came from many states away to attend this show, myself included. Having the show at the Sandia Resort & Casino helped provide an alternative for entertainment once you either spent all your shopping funds on spicy products or just wanted to double-down at one of the blackjack tables.
The variety of vendors was decent, although a dominant theme of the show was confections. If you liked spicy chocolate, candy, nut brittles, or sweet popcorn, then there were numerous vendors selling their chile-laced confections for your sweet tooth. As with all the past FFS, there was quite a local flavor to the show with many ABQ- and New Mexico-based businesses there to present their products. There was a pretty broad variety of products available, so no matter whether you were looking for hot sauce, salsa, or spicy chocolate, there was something there you would find worthwhile.
However, all this comes at a price…and it will really dent your wallet. The show was $15 each day to attend. Given that the show was only open to the public for 3 hours on Friday, $15 was ridiculous to pay for only 3 hours especially considering that you were paying that much for either 7 or 9 hours during either of the other two weekend days. This doesn’t include the $2 for bottled water, $3.50 for a soda or $5-6 for a beer once you were inside the show. Obviously, all the vendors were counting on your purchasing dollars, so it was blissfully easy to be out $100 or more once you made it down one aisle of the show!

The vendor/doin’ business perspective
I don’t have the exact numbers of patrons who passed through the show during the weekend, but the crush of the crowd was impressive. While this doesn’t always translate to dollars being spent at the vendor booths, there certainly is NO chance of that happening if the people don’t show up. While many patrons certainly wanted to get their $15 back by tasting as much free food as possible, lots of happy customers were seen toting bags of hot & spicy food products out of the show.
In general, business was good. I spoke to several vendors towards the end of the show who indicated that this show was one of the best FFS events yet held…at least in terms of their sales. However, booth placement always seems to be an issue with some vendors…and sometimes rightfully so. If you were lucky enough to have a booth inside the show hall or right outside the entrance doors, you had a good chance of good product placement for the crowd. If you were in one of the side halls, adjoining rooms, or even in the far row of the show (where even we were tired of tasting & shopping at that point), then you seemingly had a lower chance of those eager customers spending money on your stuff.

The vendor/show management and venue relationship
In Dante Alighieri’s “The Divine Comedy,” the gate to Hell has the inscription “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.” This could also be said for those vendors who endeavored to deal with either the show’s management, or heaven forbid had issues with the Sandia Resort and Casino having to do with the venue hall or other concern with the Indian Health Service. If you think I am over-dramatizing this issue, consider some of these gems:
The Indian Health Service saw fit to inspect all the booths for various “possible health code violations.” Despite the fact that all these vendors have their products approved by the FDA, the IHS conducted inspections that made a rectal exam seem like a cool handshake. I mean, really, you can ensure that the products are being safely stored and served…but after that, it’s simply overkill. If these products are good enough to be approved by the FDA, then it should be good enough for the IHS. In some cases, not so much.
Forgot to bring hooks to hang a banner? Need electricity to run your credit card machine to do commerce? Need anything else that wasn’t explicitly agreed to in your contract for your booth? Well, if you needed something that would help you…be prepared to pay, and not at a terribly reasonable rate either. Some of what was being charged was just plain silly.
Did I mention being charged for stuff? Try this on for size. Just imagine that you are a show vendor just minding your own business, selling stuff to customers and generally having a good time. Now imagine that you get a visit from the show’s management telling you that they need your money for next year NOW, and that you booth will be sold out from under you if you don’t pay up soon. Heck, the Sopranos didn’t have episodes as good as some of the high-pressure sell deals that were being pushed by the show management.
Speaking of trying to get blood out of a turnip, or rather more money out of the vendors, there was ample opportunity to get a visit from Dave DeWitt as he tried to sell everything he could that seemingly wasn’t bolted down. Advertising space on his website. Advertising space on the show’s program (which I never saw anyone reading, btw). In fact, I think Dave may have been trying to sell time-share condos there in his spare time. If you, as a vendor, had any extra money…then the show management was determined to relieve you of the burden of taking it home with you.

The coup de grâce to any semblance of goodwill between the vendors and management evaporated in what will forever be known in my mind as the “extract incident.” There was no shortage of vendors there who were selling capsaicin extract sauces. DEFCON Sauces has their “Zero,” CaJohns Fiery Foods has their “Black Mamba,” just to mention a few. Well, there was a new vendor at the show called the German Chili Police. They sold a BBQ sauce, but also happened to feature an extract sauce that they happen to be sampling for the public. After one of the members of the crowd (who I think might have been a chromosome shy of the requisite number) decided to make a tour of all the extract sauces and stop by the GCP booth, that person opted for a too-big sample of the extract sauce and subsequently passed out. Yes, passed out as in down-for-the-count. I did not witness the incident, but I became well aware of the aftermath. The vendors paid the price for the stupidity of one of the show patrons by being brow-beaten within an inch of their lives. As is the case in society nowadays, individual people are apparently not responsible for the stupidity of their actions…someone else is. The reason you eat extract sauces a little at a time is because they’re pretty damn potent. DUH! The level of disgust going on at some of these vendors’ booths was palpable.
Suffice to say, I cannot imagine why some of these vendors continue to patronize this show, given the hassle they get from the show’s management. Without the vendors, there is no show! One would think that the management would make even a passable attempt at treating these people and companies better than they do. If it weren’t so absurd, it would be utterly laughable.
Well, that’s my take on the 2010 National Fiery Foods & Barbecue Show in Albuquerque, NM. I look forward to hearing some feedback from some of the people, vendors, and others who were there to see if they are willing to support or refute some of my assertions.




















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Commented at March 15, 2010- 9:46 am
Another Buddah-sized post. Nice job Joe, but I disagree on certain health code issues. The FDA has no one evaluating the cleanliness or distribution at each booth, do they? Much like hairnets are required for certain length of hair at food venues, the Sandia is held accountable for how it runs its show. This country’s court system is filled with frivilous lawsuits, so the Sandia is just watching their back. While I am sure some of the health code stuff is overkill, they can run their show anyway they want as long as it is in the vendor contract ahead of time. There may also be a stipulation that allows them to change if they see fit. Of course, if the Sandia breaks their own contract, perhaps the case in the “extract incident” where they changed how the extract is doled out, then the vendors can take action against the Sandia.
Overall, the show was fun from my perspective, mainly because of the people I hung with. The vendors I spoke with were mostly content with the crowds and sales. We all know DeWitt only cares about padding his wallet instead of looking out for the long term success of the industry. I think if Chile Pepper took their show to the next level with some media outside of Ft Worth then vendors could have a true alternative to the FFS. Until then, it is the big show that chileheads must attend once in their lifetime.
Commented at March 15, 2010- 10:04 am
Buddha, trying to get the Sandia Resort & Unsecured Casino to do ANYTHING is like yelling at a piece of granite. Remember our grand larceny a few years back, where the casino did nothing, absolutely NOTHING, nor did anyone in any capacity of the show. Cripes, you commit grand larceny in a casino in NJ, you’ll find yourself in the trunks of 3 different Town Cars.
Commented at March 15, 2010- 6:21 pm
As a long time vendor at the FFS, I would like to point out that those of us who have been there KNOW what to expect from the Dewitt Crew, right or wrong Their actions were not out of the norm for this event, although I think they could find a better time to canvass the floor than when WE are trying to make money and interact with our/their patrons.
Buddah, why do you have to jump in and say things without thinking about what you are saying? The issues we faced with the IHS were ridiculous at best. Joe was not harping on the obvious, of course the presentation and delivery of samples need to be inspected! I think Joe pointed that out. Moreover, the country’s court system has nothing to do with what happens at the facility, it is sovereign land, and this is the point that I find so frustrating! They try to act like they know what they are doing for food safety, but they do not recognize that we HAVE to do it right or we will be shut down. There is no smoking gun for them to find. They are asking for proprietary information just to let us display/sample our wares. I had to have both my FDA Post Supervisor and my Ohio Dept of Ag inspector call and bring them up to speed on the regs we work under. One of them commented that “never in his 29 years had he had someone with so little knowledge try to be so forceful with the enforcement of things they did not have a grasp of”.
Yes the show is about making money, that’s why we do it I suppose. From my end of things I still feel it is the “Mecca” for chileheads worldwide. It is the largest gathering for all thing chile in the world. The World has it’s problems, so does the show. The biggest problem I see is that the facility just is not big enough to host an event of this proportion. Instead of food safety, I think there should be more emphasis on “Life Safety”. At the ABQ convention center the fire department would limit access to the show when the crowds got too big. Heaven help us if there ever is a catastrophe!
It was great to see everyone who turned out, and I hope to meet more chileheads at the upcoming events.
Commented at March 15, 2010- 6:49 pm
Here’s my take. If you have done this show as a vendor before, then you know what to expect. I truly think that the overly cautious approach to food safety is only slightly more costly for the vendors in the short run and definitely beneficial in the long run, (if anyone contracts a food born illness at the show it could be monetarily disastrous for all of the vendors and the venue). It is a small price to pay to keep things over the top safe. It isn’t that hard to be in compliance.
I have in the past fealt very unappreciated at the Sania. When the bar closes down on the roof top is a prime example yelling and screaming by security was not necessary. At one point I was ready to tell them to chill ’cause they were totally outnumbered, but chose to not spend the night in Tribal Jail. This was years ago, we now stay just a mile off the reservation and spend as few dollars at the casino as possible. Needless to say $0 were spent at the roof top bar!
Until someone can put on a bigger better show, this will remain “The biggest gathering of chileheads in the world”! Remember I coined that phrase, ( in a Dave DeWittesque voice) and if you see it printed anywhere I want a piece of the action!
If you’ve never been to FFS you have to experience it at least once, it truly is a spectacle. Not unlike Mardi Gras in New Orleans sans boobies, (trust me of done Mardi Gras 3 times), show me your sauce!
Commented at March 15, 2010- 7:48 pm
So does anyone know the whole truth concerning the “extract incident”? While I was there on Sunday, one of DeWitt’s people (you may know to whom I’m referring) tried to blow it off that the Chili Police were deceiving people (including the dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks gentlemen mentioned above) by serving their extract sauce under the guise that it was their regular BBQ sauce. Uh-huh.
Commented at March 15, 2010- 7:56 pm
My take as a second year vendor… health code stuff is the norm. be prepared as vendor or don’t bother to sample. I sample in Cali regulations abound like nowhere else I know of. Just say yes mam or sir and get on with selling great sating food (or fiery or whatever) to folks that want to buy it.
As for show management, every show has it’s own issues. This is a fun one and I plan to continue on. I do think maybe they should sell a 3 day pass so folks can come and go and be there multiple days… it’s another way to make money and possibly give us vendor repeat buyers at the same event.
Overall I am really glad I did the show the second year in a row. I love chiliheads even though I may be one of the tamest vendors around. I’ll be back next year, perhaps with something hotter-who knows.
Commented at March 16, 2010- 11:25 am
Hi Jennifer, nice to see you at the show..Your booth looked good and I hoped to sold out of product..give us a call when you are ready to do some business..we are ready..
thanks
butch
805 2583650
Commented at March 16, 2010- 11:38 am
we look forward to mest year and we will bring all of our producet there for everyone to sample.
Commented at March 16, 2010- 10:24 pm
Sovereign land only goes so far when it comes to the injury of a non-indian citizen. Here is one particular case from last year that involved a court to order a arbitration that cost a casino $500,000:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/feb/19/bn19acorn18558-lawsuit/?zIndex=55594
Federal courts are allowed to intervene and strip the sovereignty of any land as it is based on a treaty between the Federal gov’t and a particular Indian tribe. All I am pointing out here is that the Sandia has the right to be safe and protect itself from possible Federal interference, even as likely as that might seem. They might go overboard, but it is their casino and it is their right to do so. Of course I am just saying this without giving it any thought.
Commented at March 17, 2010- 4:31 am
Buddah,
Your point, while being well-written, still lacks relevance. In other words, I still don’t think you get it. For one thing, the IHS does not equal the tribe that owns/runs the Sandia. There’s more, of course, but I am not sure you are going to climb on board this freight train of enlightenment.
Commented at March 17, 2010- 9:40 am
So the IHS is the FDA equilivant in regards to the Native American nation? The Sandia must comply to their rulings on all health matters. As well as all those vendors occupying space within the sovereign land surrounding the Sandia? Or is the Sandia free from responsibility because of the presence of the IHS?
Commented at March 17, 2010- 5:18 pm
Those of us who know Buddah, know what to expect from Buddah…
Commented at March 18, 2010- 10:42 am
Wow, so much information, where to start?
First of all I’m not a big fan of “admiring the problem”. If there are objections to the way the FFS operates then a solutions based forum seems far more constructive than a complaint box.
Kudos to Jennifer for the suggestion of the multi-day pass. That’s a great idea, and I will lobby to make that happen next year!
I’m not going to elaborate too much on IHS other than to say that they’re purely the watchdog. The guidelines they enforce are as old as the casino, and the tribal council has far more important concerns (in their opinions) than to find ways to relax the health codes. Yes it’s strict, and it is designed to alleviate any liability concerns for the casino by staying strict. No one (including Dave) can do anything to change that.
Regarding Dave’s perceived aggressive business practices: The FFS is a business boys and girls, and the last time I checked businesses need revenue to survive. In an industry where failure due to lack of income is common I would think most of you would understand and appreciate the hard work that goes into keep the show alive.
Regarding booth space: If you have season tickets for the Yankees do you think the ticket sales department gives you an extended period to decide if you want to renew? Nope. Yankees season tickets are a limited quantity, high demand item, and so is the exhibitor space at the FFS.
Current exhibitors are given first right of refusal, and the premium booth space is in high demand. Do you have any idea how hard it is to reach some exhibitors? Not every manufacturer has an 800 number, or working email for that matter. Renewing at the show is the only effective way to guarantee that exhibitors get to keep their space.
I would love to hear about any additional solutions that would benefit the show. Feel free to share them here or drop me an email.
Commented at March 18, 2010- 3:20 pm
Just to clarify a few issues. First, the Tribal Council rules everything, including the duties of Indian Health Services, a federal agency. The Council has given upper Resort management the power to overrule IHS, and this has happened. Despite the problems, only one exhibitor in my memory at the show for 5 years has been denied tasting privileges. This person lied about his co-packer.
As far as our sales techniques are concerned, I got my start in sales when selling Radio Bingo promotions to small businesses in rural Mississippi towns. That was hardcore; the show is mostly about taking orders, but we take them efficiently.
The German Chili Police were not tasting on the end of a toothpick as required, but were giving people too much and lying about the heat. Margaret confronted them and threatened to send them back to Deutschland. John Hard showed them how to taste superhot sauces to the public. The GCP complied. End of story.
Yes, the venue is too small. No, we are not going back to the Convention Center because gate revenue went up an average of 35% since we’re been at Sandia.
We are considering a 3-day pass for attendees and have to check that Ticketmaster can handle that. Next year, the attendees will have separate badge colors so exhibitors know which ones to spend more time with. A few years ago, an exhibitor told Harald Zoschke that all booths should be free. This year, an exhibitor complained about the quality of the free food at El Pinto during the show party. It takes all kinds.
I’ve never heard of a show without some problems and I produced my first show in 1973 in Richmond, VA and forgot to hire a cleaning crew! If you know of a better-run show than ours, considering our unique challenges, please tell me about it.
Commented at March 18, 2010- 3:37 pm
Hi Chile Friends,
So…Not to go into depth on how much fun but ….
Believe me I can get fired up on stupidity and lack of common sense and start a debate with the best you all but here I must admit we had nothing but a fantastic time at this years show. We didn’t have any problems vending or with anything or anyone. Sorry to hear some of you had problems.
It was great to see everone at the show and look forward to seeing you all as well as our newest chilehead friends soon.
Surf’s Up Bros!
Yarnydog
http://www.cheater5.com
Commented at March 18, 2010- 9:49 pm
Well said James. Dave is wrong, you do have a good head on your shoulders. Btw… Yankees season tickets have a deadline and it isn’t before the last game of the season. I think you should look into legitimatizing(sp?) the Scovie awards by including any advertising for the winners as part of the cost. That it doesn’t look like Dave is just giving Scovies away to newbies as a way to scam more money. Business or not, I think the Scovies have lost their luster because of this. Dave can raise the entry fee to make up for loss revenue. Then get some bloggers to help judge.
I think if you do this you might get some of the older companies back into the mix instead of them putting all their dollars into the Golden Chiles. They will feel like they have a shot to win.
Commented at March 19, 2010- 7:28 am
Thanks James for stating the obvious. PC and you probably like vanilla the best. Go one time and there you have it, expert testimony. The multi-day pass is a thing of the past, it was there until the show migrated to the casino, good luck! You know what else James? We run a business too! If you understood the dynamic between FDA/State of ___, Regional, Local Health departments you might be able to form an opinion of how IHS handles things. Since you don’t, leave it to the professionals. BTW there were more unclaimed booths at the end of the show than ever in my 14 year tenure.
Commented at March 19, 2010- 7:29 am
Buddah, it has more to do with the cost of the show overall. It costs us nearly $5000 to do the show. For local NM companies, it’s a walk in the park, for others it’s a major expense. Good ‘ol Disco, the dreyage people, now there’s a bunch of friggin’ winners. It costs me twice as much for those lovely people to deliver my pallet from their warehouse to my booth 5 miles away, than it does to ship it 1700 miles (from NJ to NM), do the f**kin’ math. Not to mention the inherent and continual BS you have to put up with them.
Vendors should get serious discounts if staying at the casino for the weekend, not just $20 in free casino chips and an insignificant discount on the room. The casino’s attitude towards the vendors sucks. 2 years ago, I remember booking our rooms 5-6 months in advance. These idiots gave us a smoking room. We tried to change our room from a LaBrea Tar Den to livable quarters, but were told they can’t move us. The high-plains drifter behind us in line, who looked like he flossed with a tow rope was able to change his room because he didn’t want to be near the elevator, WTF?
Perhaps booth discounts for companies that have been there for years. It’s not all about Dave, it’s about the vendors, and in this economy, everyone is hurting at least a little. The show should sympathize at least a little. If they want a show full of NM people with NM companies, so be bit. But they have to realize it’s become increasingly expense to do the show, especially the farther you live from it.
James, I realize what a business is, trust me. I wasn’t too pleased with your condescending tone, basically calling all vendors ‘boys and girls’ because we didn’t realize you guys were in it to make money. However, from my side of the coin, we’re supposed to be allowed to as well.
Commented at March 19, 2010- 7:49 am
I almost had to laugh at James’ response, if it weren’t so obvious that he was sticking up (in a way) for his employer. That said, it IS possible to do business in such a way where you make money and not shit all over people in the process. Yes, we get it…Dave DeWitt is in it for the money. However, it’s the tactics by which he goes about his business at the show that is so questionable. I would bet big money that the multi-day pass won’t happen because it would take money out of the coffers of the show management, and that won’t fly since people are already paying the money for a “by the day” admission for the show. All of you who think you know how the IHS operates (Buddah, I’m looking at you) really need to take a step back and realize that you don’t. I don’t either, and only presented a perspective that I had from watching how that whole process happened at the show..and it was ridiculous.
I didn’t (and don’t) have an axe to grind with Dave DeWitt. However, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to actually LISTEN to the vendors talk about their experience with the show management (now and in years past) and simply observe how some of these things went down at the show. James, you can rationalize all you want about it…but in the end, you are still defending your employer. That much, at least, is fairly transparent.
Commented at March 20, 2010- 2:47 pm
So much drama…next year this needs to be a reality show.
Commented at March 20, 2010- 3:59 pm
Yep, nothing has changed since I went there in 2004…on all fronts…
Commented at March 21, 2010- 1:57 pm
Maybe the booth spaces currently used by businesses of interest to those involved in manufacturing (label companies, filling machines, glass and container manufacturers) could be moved to the stage area (beer garden). That way people who are truly interested in doing business with them can find everything they need in one central location. When the crowds show up these booths have little to no relevant inquiries. People pay admission to fill up on spicy foods and beverages.